Marriage record

[jerry]

Marriage of Jonah White to Harriet Derby abt 1904 in Roberts Co. They are in 1906 Sisseton census as husband and wife. Hoping to find their parents on marriage license. Jonah's mother is Elizabeth White. I'm not sure of his father's name. Jonah was abt. 3/4 Sioux living on Traverse Reservation in 1906. With an enrollment number is there some way to find a genealogy of a present tribal member? Please help. Jerry






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[hermin1]

yes Jerry:
YOu can contact either the Aberddeen area office or the sisseton tribal office at sisseton,by mail. give tem the names and enrollment Numbers. also include information to show how you are related to them and request information on them.

[Vicky]

Hello Jerry, and welcome to Oyate.
Elizabeth White's Indian name was Oyateotawin. She received a land allotment at Sisseton in 1887, as did her sons Jonah and Charles. She is listed on the land documents as being age 27.
On the 1887 Sisseton census, she is listed as married, age 28, with her sons Charles, age 8 and Joseph, age 5.
On the Elrod Roll in 1891 she is age 35, Jonah is 6, Charles is 4, Hepi Geo. is 2, and Robert Sargent is 1.
(The names and ages are a little off, nothing unusual.)
I find no father's name for Jonah on any of the documents I have. (All of these can be found on this site)
I think Jimmy checked for this marriage record, but there was none. The SD marriage records contain very little info anyway, and no parent's names.
Your best bet would be to contact the BIA as Hermin suggests.
I hope someone here has more info for you.
Good luck!

[Vicky]

And don't forget death certificates. Once in a blue moon there will be correct parent's names on them. :-)

[Vicky]

Harriet Derby-
According to a land record book which belonged to Max Renville, I find the following-
Anna Derby and Amos Brant, parents of Harriet and Hastings Derby.
Amos Brant can be found on all the Sisseton documents married to Sageayemazawin and with a few kids, none named Harriet or Hastings, and it appears that Anna later married Thomas Lawrence, according to the land record book.
Boy, I thought my family was confusing!

[hermin1]

i have a Lizzy white aka Elizabeth age 38, born@1862 in Minn. as were her parents.
Husband: Robert white(Non-Ind) Age48 born June 1852. he was born Missouri Father born NY, Mother born PA
children: robert born may 1891 age 9
annie born Feb. 1893 Age 7
Joseph born may, 1898 Age 2
Ref. 1900 US Census Eden, Marshall, SD
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tHe Reason Jonah isn't in the household on this census is because I found him at the Genoa Indian Training School at the age of 8 years old.patrents Information juves with above.

[hermin1]

i tried the late birth Registrations but no such luck.
I would think he would be registered with the Draft for WW!.
let me see what I can find at my other haunts.
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If this is the Jonah white born @1885 , he woulldn't have registered for the draft as he died in 1909.

[hermin1]

heis not registeered for th WW! Draft. if I remember, vicky , is this the Jonah white i wrote you about(#2 that died in 1909 in South Dakota? if so then I wouldn't know where to find a marriage record if it even existed.
there are 2 Jonah whites I think.
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As for Hannah Derby, my gut hunch is she is non-indian. but again, I may bewrong.
i would see if i can find a n obituary for tthem.which will give some information.

________I searched ancestry.com for Hannah Derby and got all kinds of Hannah's that were white, but none that were Indian.
i will try again.
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No luck on this second search eithe

[Vicky]

Yes Hermin, thank you. Jerry is looking for the second Jonah you wrote about-

"Jonah White born @ 1883 SDakota
Mother's name was Elizabeth White.
reservation: lake Traverse. Agency Sisseton.
Census Date;10 Jun 1890.

This Jonah died 29 Dec. 1909 Roberts county, SDak.
He also attended the Genoa Indian school in genoa, nance nebraska. Census was 1900 US Census"

There will be a death certificate for him in SD and maybe an obit.
I do believe Elizabeth was married to a white man, but I think all the others (Harriet, Anna Derby and Amos Brant) are Sisseton.

Does anyone have a probate for any of those folks?
Many thanks! :-)

[Vicky]

Jerry, I checked the NARA finding aids for Sisseton and find nothing except for a case file for Cornelius White. (Did you tell me you were looking for him also?) These files contain very little useful information, just things like when they had eye appointments and that sort of thing. They can be ordered at NARA in KC by contacting Barbara- (also, ask her if she can find anything else on your family, as there is a 10 dollar minimum, 20 pages) Also, ask her for any heirship/probate records for your family. These will have children listed.
Barbara Larsen NARA KC
E-mail Address(es):
[e-mail]

Inquire about probates here-

United States Department of the Interior
Bureau of Indian Affairs
Sisseton Agency
Sisseton SD 57262

So far we have determined-
Jonah's parents were= Elizabeth and Robert White
Harriet's parents were=Anna Derby and Amos Brant.
Then tell them how your line looks after that, all the way down to yourself.

Do not be disappointed if you don't hear from the BIA. They were literally shut down (not answering mail) for a few years, but I hope they are back in business by now.

With a great deal of luck, someone on this site has a probate for one or more of these folks. Come on all you generous souls- start diggin'! :-)

[hermin1]

vicky: Jonah and Harriet couldn't have been married too long if Jonah died in 1909. But they were married long enough to have at least one or two children.
Has anyone checked the Iyape Oyea on-line for sisseton?
Were people still getting married by Indian custom after 1900?

[Vicky]

Here is the 1906 Sisseton census page which Jimmy provided. He also added-
"There is a Jonah White that died in Roberts County, 29 December 1909. It looks like Jonah was born in 1885 and was attending the Genoa School in 1900. Harriet 'Hattie' Derby was from Sisseton also, born in 1884. I am attaching a page from the 1906 Sisseton census which shows that they are married, it even lists her maiden name. They have a 1 year old son named Cornelius. Unfortunately, I can't find a marriage record for them. The marriage index on ancestry starts in 1905, so they may have been married before then. There was a Hattie D. White that died in Roberts County 20 July 1906."

Thanks, Jimmy! Maybe when you are finished with finals, you might have time to look for an obit for these folks? Bless your busy heart!

[hermin1]

thanks Jimmy. Best of Luck on your finals.

[jerry]

I just got back to this board. Thank all of you for contributing.This has been a wonderful experience for me These boards have really filled in some gaps. I spent two years looking for this information. Thanks Jerry

[Vicky]

God bless you on your journey of discovery, Jerry. We hope we have helped you some. You have many exciting avenues to explore and let us know what you find!

[jerry]

May 6, 2008 18:38:37 GMT -5 Vicky said:

Harriet Derby-
According to a land record book which belonged to Max Renville, I find the following-
Anna Derby and Amos Brant, parents of Harriet and Hastings Derby.
Amos Brant can be found on all the Sisseton documents married to Sageayemazawin and with a few kids, none named Harriet or Hastings, and it appears that Anna later married Thomas Lawrence, according to the land record book.
Boy, I thought my family was confusing!